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    some v~eird 3 A M. on a Saturday morning. But then
    vvhat happens to the product of that is a whole 'nother
    set of questions. I think if we can separate the hacker
    drive from the producu of hacking' which cen either
    hsve no economic velue or tremendous economic value
    but still have the same hacker vaiue, then i think the
    discussion will get a little farther.
    
    LEE FELSEhJSTEIN (designer of Oshorne 1, co-teunder of
    Community Memo~y). If you're only dealing with one of
    those two things in your life, if you define yourself in
    only one area' you are crippled, I say. I've seen a lot
    of cripples on the other side, too. If you're only ~aking
    stuff tbat other people make, and playing games with it
    to somehow get money out of itÄI believe t~at poo-
    ple like that (of course, I'm not one of them) (laughter)
    . . . peeple like that know that they're the ones that
    are playing the winliose game. 'lf I give it to you I
    must take it from him.r' And ~hat results in what i
    
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    9 `` "ackers are doomed, and you just better
    ~_ accept that. Not doomed to extinetion' you're
    , ~` doomed to live a life in which you're on the
    fr4,ntier. ' ÄDAVE HUGHES, "Sourcevoid Dave," system operaror
    of pace-se~nE ballebn board system
    
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    and other people call the "produccion of scarcity."
    
    We have a responsibility to know about and live to a
    certain extent on the other side of the fence and find
    out what happens with these chings once they're pro-
    duced. And we shouid also expect the people who live
    most of their lives over there to come onro our side
    and learn to play a little bit, learn to express some of
    their onvn creativity. Concentrating on one thing alone
    makes you into a deformed person.
    
    DICK HEiSER (owner and p~opnelor of ~e or~ginal Com-
    puter Store in 1975, now with Xan~du) It sesms iike you
    cen have a variabie amount of your own content in
    something. As a computer retailer I found myself turn-
    ing over other peopte's goobs. i wanted to distinguish
    the quality of my service, but I Found tbat hard Don
    Lancaster, who wrote a book called The Incredibk Secre
    Money Machine ½applause), talked about the fact that if
    you are maximizing the added velue, rather tban trying
    to ieverage other people's money or other people's
    work, then a miracie cen go on.
    
    You hsve to be committed, and you don't know how
    it's gonna work out, but the amount of power factor
    that's going on in this technology is so astaunding tbet
    you ought to be encouraged to try. In this miraculous
    environment, we find poople like Bob Wallace doing
    things that succeed very much beyond the expectations
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    kind of a hacker-type thing that became much too
    commereial. You keep deciding, "Is tbet what I want7"
    
    You keep designing, you keep adding personal value,
    and the miracie keeps happening. It doesn't happen
    for everybody, unfortunately, and it doesn't happen
    automatically, but if you're willing to experiment, and
    if you beware of too much money and too many other
    people getting inwolvad, so that you can make your
    own decisions, then you're free to try these wanderful
    things and sse if they work. And sometimes they do. o
    
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